You need to keep one thing in mind when ordering these shorts. There is no stretch to them. None. Zero. I think they also run a touch small. I was very happy that I ordered a size up, and I was happier when I lost 5 lbs. The red is more of a true red than the brownish-red I was expecting. If these shorts weren't FJ brand, I would be concerned about them ripping from lack of give. I am confident - I hope not naively so. Buy these for light hiking and everyday use, skip them for yoga or rock climbing!