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Set In Stone, Evidence For Earth's Catastrophic Past

Set In Stone, Evidence For Earth's Catastrophic Past

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Zachary
5.0 out of 5 starsThoughtful, scientifically-based critique of uniformitarian assumptions
July 7, 2019
It’s no secret that the geologists involved in this documentary subscribe to a young earth and a Biblical view of natural history. However, this film is far from creationist-propaganda. On the contrary, the message of the film is primarily that catastrophic forces are likely responsible for much more of the geologic record than assumed, including the famous Siccar Point, where Hutton first concluded that the formations at that locality would have required long-lasting, gradual processes. The arguments made on this point are entirely driven by the rocks themselves, not by any religious teaching. A secondary point is that the evidence for “deep time”, which is seemingly well-attested by other dating means, is largely missing from the physical rock record, in particular the sedimentary record. This argument is not developed to argue exclusively for a young earth, but rather to question the assumptions made by most geologists as to the amount of time represented by the global stratigraphic record. The arguments in this documentary are thought-provoking, without being demanding of a particular viewpoint.

Yes, the conclusions herein made would be largely consistent with those held by many young-earth proponents, including geologists such as Garner, Snelling, and Whitmore. That is hardly surprising - I dare say most scientists would prefer to promote ideas that they agree with. However, so far as this documentary goes, they are also largely in line with the arguments of non-creationist writers such as Derek Ager. There should be no reason why non-creationist students of geology shouldn’t learn to appreciate the role of catastrophic processes in Earth’s past, or re-examine tired assumptions (sometimes founded upon precious little data) about the formation of the rock record. There is no need to let the creationist community own the entire field of catastrophism in geology - there is certainly room for other creative thinkers to re-evaluate the evidence.
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Atheen
3.0 out of 5 starsUlterior motives are in the credits at the end.
July 10, 2017
Beg to differ. As to the lack of "biblical" associations, I think you need to get all the way to the end of the film to the credits to find it, but it's there!! While a lot of good geology is included in the film, I think the producers tend to see it as an "either-or" battle, with catastrophism being the "victim" of uniformitarianism. Doubtlessly it was in the olden days, but not so much today when both rapid and slow processes as concepts have been integrated into modern geology. (It would be difficult not to notice the effect of a volcano on its surroundings for instance!) Modern geologists look for both and look for them widely in order to study earth history. The producers have also ignored the fact that things like turbidity currents don't happen on a daily basis but sedimentary processes do. They also point to a lack of animal fossils where the animals might not even have been in the first place or where they would have left little visible traces of their having been there. They also ignore the fact that the earth is not the same place as it was "In the beginning!" Life itself has changed it a lot. Erosion and deposition, for instance, happened a lot faster and were more pervasive before plant life made itself onto land to resist natural processes than they did after that date. They also ignore the chemistry of the pre-oxygen world and the post oxygen world. Seems to me there was a little bit of cherry picking done here. I laud the producer's providing an alternate view, but I would have appreciated hearing the "other side of the story" from a knowledgeable "someone" who disagreed with them. It might have clarified some of the producer's issues with things like isotope dating--but then, I suspect such individuals would have clarified it for the viewers, too. I agree that scientists are just as slow to accept change as the rest of us--poor old Alfred Wegener never did get to see the day when his notion of plate tectonics was accepted (I believe he died on a polar expedition long before then)--but sometimes there's a reason for it!
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Zachary
5.0 out of 5 starsThoughtful, scientifically-based critique of uniformitarian assumptions
July 7, 2019
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It’s no secret that the geologists involved in this documentary subscribe to a young earth and a Biblical view of natural history. However, this film is far from creationist-propaganda. On the contrary, the message of the film is primarily that catastrophic forces are likely responsible for much more of the geologic record than assumed, including the famous Siccar Point, where Hutton first concluded that the formations at that locality would have required long-lasting, gradual processes. The arguments made on this point are entirely driven by the rocks themselves, not by any religious teaching. A secondary point is that the evidence for “deep time”, which is seemingly well-attested by other dating means, is largely missing from the physical rock record, in particular the sedimentary record. This argument is not developed to argue exclusively for a young earth, but rather to question the assumptions made by most geologists as to the amount of time represented by the global stratigraphic record. The arguments in this documentary are thought-provoking, without being demanding of a particular viewpoint.

Yes, the conclusions herein made would be largely consistent with those held by many young-earth proponents, including geologists such as Garner, Snelling, and Whitmore. That is hardly surprising - I dare say most scientists would prefer to promote ideas that they agree with. However, so far as this documentary goes, they are also largely in line with the arguments of non-creationist writers such as Derek Ager. There should be no reason why non-creationist students of geology shouldn’t learn to appreciate the role of catastrophic processes in Earth’s past, or re-examine tired assumptions (sometimes founded upon precious little data) about the formation of the rock record. There is no need to let the creationist community own the entire field of catastrophism in geology - there is certainly room for other creative thinkers to re-evaluate the evidence.
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Raymond Burg
5.0 out of 5 starsAwesome!
September 4, 2018
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5.0 out of 5 starsNot arguing for creationism
April 28, 2017
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This documentary is not arguing for creationism which posits that the earth is 6K-10K years old, only that it isn't billions either, and catastrophic geographical formation should be examined further. It does open suggesting that early scientific views were influenced by religion, but on the whole it is not biblical pseudoscience as some are implying. Any good documentary will provide alternative views. I think most only watched the beginning then posted a review. Science is as much about disproving a theory as it is about proving it, so one would think they wouldn't be so dogmatic about old earth theory by shaming geologists who dare to question the status quo in this field.
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James
5.0 out of 5 starsAn actual science documentary, contrary to the critical reviews you may find here.
April 28, 2017
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Excellent, thought-provoking geology documentary, which is entirely about geology and the recent history of that science, primarily within Britain.

Contrary to some other reviews, this documentary is NOT an attempt to bolster the position of creationism - not at all.

It is a geology film, one hour long, so of course the "data" is "cherry-picked", due to the scope of the work and it's intended audience.

These emotionally driven, reactionary reviewers here on Amazon might as well burn another Bruno at the stake, or exile another Galileo, or even decry another Sagan, before they write disturbing critical reviews on Amazon.

If you are a student of geology, this film has real value, and if you are not, it still is approachable due to the sufficiently narrow scope of it's thesis and the thoughtful simplification of the underlying science.
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March 31, 2015
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G. W. Asher
5.0 out of 5 starsGreat film based on evidence. It is not religious and does not promote creationism in any way, despite bad (paranoid) reviews.
January 13, 2017
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Very informative film which confirms, along with all the negative reviews, that paradigms don't change gradually. It will take an undeniable discovery to overturn any established direction of thought (whether it's geology, evolution, big bang, etc.). Evidence in this film is every bit as compelling as currently accepted theory, which buries all anomalies and opposing evidence (including radiometric data fallacies), and even modifies evidence (such as the famous Lucy skeleton) to fit the expected findings. This film does NOT promote creationism or religion in any way, it merely presents evidence of an alternate nature.
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N. pollitt
5.0 out of 5 starsLove the clifts of Dover and the other sites shown.
September 2, 2013
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Very good presentation!
I had not been familiar with Siccar Point where James Hutton "found" the long ages of earth history in 1788.
After viewing the presentation one has to re-evaluate Mr. Hutton's explanation and ask, "Where's the Beef".
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Jammitol
5.0 out of 5 starsEvolutionists Will Throw A Hissy Fit! So Much Evidence.
May 12, 2017
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Oh my! A direct attack on the faith of evolutionists?! Using actual facts and evidence? How could this be allowed!
An indoctrinated generation of non-thinkers and non-scientific evolutionists will be appalled. I'll bet they will flood this film with one-star reviews written in poorly constructed sentences and void of any real evidence to support their faith-based evolutionist theory.
While this film provides evidence and facts that any person can check for themselves the brainwashed, "educated" masses will never tolerate anything that their years of education, (read indoctrination), have prepared them to reject out of hand as "ignorant".
Fools are often "educated" beyond their intelligence.

A perfect and beautiful film. Highly recommended to everyone everywhere.
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5.0 out of 5 starsOK, would have like more detail
May 18, 2015
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Worth the time
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5.0 out of 5 starsPretty good.
January 27, 2017
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This was pretty interesting and made sense.
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